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exploring

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the bizarre bazaar your e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe

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exploring the unexplained ufos

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ghosts lost world cryptozoology

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as well as other dimensions

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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bazaar

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timothy beckley and tim schwartz

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i wish this boat would stop rocking back

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i'm getting a little seasick tim what

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are we doing out here in the middle of

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the ocean anyway

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it's such a long

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you mean you don't like the swaying of

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well you know i i've been told that you

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usos have been seen under the surface of

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the water here

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and they've really been scaring the

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bejesus out of people living off the

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they shoot up out of the water just

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after midnight and buzz around at

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terrific uh

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speed okay well i've heard about uh

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about the undersea saucers they've

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they've played havoc

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on some of our military vessels and

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i guess our guest tonight for example

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he's seen them while on deck and one

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involved the sinking of a russian

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submarine boy you don't sound too good

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that's interesting but i think we better

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get back safely to sure

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i see the water beginning to bubble and

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there's a strange light

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aimed at us which is probably causing

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the boat to rock even more and

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hey try not to throw up on me will you

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okay well let's let's get back to the

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oh boy what do i have to put up with i

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tell you well well tim to take some

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take some pepto-bismol here and uh

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where's my dramamine

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get yourself back in shape so we can do

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this program we've got a

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most interesting guest uh tonight but

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we introduce our guest um

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i i want to say that um we send out uh

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angela uh joyner who uh some of you

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might have heard of she was um

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uh involved in the uh uh stephenville

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texas ufo flap how many years ago was

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that now tim

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oh oh my gosh 10 10 12 years ago right

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like that right yeah yeah where the

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was the bush family uh

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residents uh out there and picked up on

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radar and uh photographed a very

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uh series of uh sightings and

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uh landings i mean it was a what had

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a lot of attention in the in the media

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one of the first to to report on it and

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uh i i sincerely doubt that uh that her

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the the reporting on the subject like

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readership of the paper i mean it said

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the paper got mentioned in the media and

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i think they're probably kicking a dead

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again our sympathy towards to the family

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people still think that the virus is a

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well over the 350 000 mark i believe

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um something like that yeah anyway

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let us bring some uh enlightenment uh to

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listeners uh this evening uh tim out

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jasper indiana where all things are cool

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a hip why don't you uh tell us who we're

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25 minutes or so yeah my pleasure tim

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uh tonight we have a first time guest on

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exploring the bazaar and we're very

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happy to have

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joe foster now joe spent years working

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i.t project management data center

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management et cetera

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cake considering the paranormal events

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that he witnessed over the years now joe

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says that he's had years of experience

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involving the uap ufo phenomena

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to his last ufo sighting which occurred

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left an indelible mark demanding that he

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explore the phenomena

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and share with the public whatever

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he's gained additionally his background

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including advanced technologies

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of understanding the world

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both seen and unseen in which we live

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along with all the mysteries

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that as of yet remain unexplained

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now joe also has a chapter in

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our upcoming book alien lives matter

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which should be coming out but tomorrow

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it's over 800 pages already you need two

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revenge anyway you know i i um

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mutual acquaintance of ours

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and we wish them all a happy new year

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it was about a um a lecture that

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while looking for uh joe not realizing

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you know i want to start out i mean okay

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you had experiences at an early age and

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that are in the book that you wrote up

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you know life we kind of follow a path

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where it takes us we have no clue but

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more often that you don't plan on

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you don't look for it's just happen

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synchronicities in my life i've done a

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450 page book

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on synchronicities and i'm talking about

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clock and it's saying you know 11 11 or

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thinking of somebody in the telephone uh

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you know rings and it's then the next

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day i'm talking about stuff

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that is so bizarre that it's worthy of a

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but anyway don't let me interrupt you

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any more than i have to so you just go

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ahead with your story

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a quick um

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synchronicity yeah and actually the the

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on the farm

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and the farm is located a couple hundred

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yards from what we call the navy road or

288
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normandy road

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and that is a private road that links a

290
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naval weapon naval ammunition depot

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located in colts snack new jersey

292
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with its peer facilities in middletown

293
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new jersey about 13.2 miles away

294
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now the interesting thing about this

295
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road they use

296
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the road for they've got a two-track uh

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train line

298
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as well as the highway two lane highway

299
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and they carry munitions to and from the

300
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storage

301
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facilities to the ships that tie up at

302
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the longest finger pier

303
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in the world it's a two and a half mile

304
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long finger pier that the navy owns

305
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and they would be moving munitions

306
00:12:05,269 --> 00:12:03,360
back and forth but you always knew when

307
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interesting munitions were being moved

308
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because they

309
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usually had squads of armed marines

310
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at the crossroads they'd shut down the

311
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crossroad and the train or the truck

312
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would pass and then they'd open the road

313
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back up again

314
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so that kind of sets the stage because

315
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this one evening

316
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in july we're sitting there and we watch

317
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looking across the road

318
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about two or three hundred yards away is

319
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the navy road

320
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and they're flying from the north

321
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heading south

322
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of the silver sphere now this is dusk

323
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okay after sunset but it's like daylight

324
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so you had this shiny silver sphere with

325
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red and white flashing lights all around

326
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it

327
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up and he ran into the house

328
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and he tried calling fort monmouth which

329
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is a couple of miles away

330
00:12:54,629 --> 00:12:53,760
oh yeah and he couldn't get through the

331
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switchboard

332
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for whatever reason he couldn't get

333
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through the switchboard so

334
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nothing more happened about that we

335
00:13:04,069 --> 00:13:02,240
didn't see anything in the paper

336
00:13:06,069 --> 00:13:04,079
my father didn't contact papers or

337
00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:06,079
anything else and apparently nobody

338
00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:10,399
else did but years later

339
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we're starting an arts council in long

340
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branch and there were a number of

341
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volunteers

342
00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:20,000
gentleman that worked over at fort mons

343
00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:23,600
to live when in 1958 he lived

344
00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:25,839
about three or four miles further to the

345
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north

346
00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:29,519
right on the swimming river when i told

347
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him about this

348
00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:32,720
he said oh yeah he said i remember we

349
00:13:38,949 --> 00:13:34,480
had an object land

350
00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:38,959
in the swampy area alongside the parkway

351
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going towards where i had seen the thing

352
00:13:46,629 --> 00:13:42,639
now that was

353
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that was in 1997 that he said that

354
00:13:50,389 --> 00:13:48,320
now the last part of the synchronicity

355
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for this particular story

356
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happened in 2002 the summer of 2002

357
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a crop circle showed up about 200 yards

358
00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:00,079
behind where my house used to be

359
00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:02,560
on the farm the farm is no longer a farm

360
00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:04,880
but it's now a county park

361
00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:07,440
so it's thor brook park so there was

362
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:08,959
three things but it took

363
00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:12,720
space from yes 58 to 2002.

364
00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:15,279
so that's what this is what happens yes

365
00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:16,480
indeed

366
00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:20,880
thing is

367
00:14:25,189 --> 00:14:24,320
now this area has been noted for ufo

368
00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:25,199
sightings

369
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:28,720
probably a lot to do with that navy road

370
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:32,399
and we even had a landing in 1970

371
00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:34,240
okay about a mile and a half away from

372
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:35,760
the pier

373
00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:37,920
in a town called port mamas it's

374
00:14:44,069 --> 00:14:40,320
actually a village part of middletown

375
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:44,079
now that was in 1970 okay

376
00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:46,720
here's another synchronicity i also

377
00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:48,240
volunteer

378
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:50,079
i'm retired now so i have plenty of time

379
00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:52,000
to volunteer i volunteer

380
00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,680
at one of the two remaining nike

381
00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:55,920
hercules sites

382
00:15:02,550 --> 00:14:59,680
in the world we have the if the ifc

383
00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:02,560
integrated fire control totally restored

384
00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:04,079
and we also have the launcher area and

385
00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:06,000
we have several missiles and so we

386
00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:09,199
we give tours and it's on a county path

387
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:11,440
not a county park but the uh the

388
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:12,959
national park

389
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:14,480
i'd like to i'd like to come to i'd like

390
00:15:18,069 --> 00:15:16,160
to come down there sometime and to check

391
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:18,079
that out it sounds fascinating

392
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,519
absolutely and i'll give you we'll give

393
00:15:23,269 --> 00:15:21,519
you the tour yeah okay

394
00:15:25,590 --> 00:15:23,279
anyway the interesting thing about this

395
00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:25,600
and this again this is another

396
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:27,600
thread that hangs off of the original

397
00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:29,199
story

398
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:32,560
in 1970 when that ufo landed and i

399
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:35,120
i have the the article in the local

400
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:36,800
newspaper that covered it along with

401
00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:38,079
photographs

402
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:39,680
of the crop circle where it actually

403
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:42,800
landed a small area in the swampy area

404
00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:44,240
about a mile and a half away from the

405
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:45,839
navy pier

406
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,959
now this is this nike site is about

407
00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:50,399
seven driving miles

408
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:53,720
away from this site that

409
00:15:59,509 --> 00:15:56,480
1970 according to the head of our

410
00:16:02,870 --> 00:15:59,519
volunteers association was a

411
00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:02,880
he was a launch section chief that was

412
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:03,839
stationed there

413
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:07,680
in 1970 and the story that we give we

414
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:09,519
give the tour and we explain that the

415
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:10,639
only time

416
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,360
those nikes were ever armed and ready

417
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:14,880
for flight

418
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:17,920
was in the summer of 1970.

419
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:21,199
coincidental i don't think so i think

420
00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:21,600
it's

421
00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:24,399
i think there's a cause and effect here

422
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:26,240
that nobody's ever talked about even the

423
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:27,440
nike guys

424
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:29,040
they were given a different story now

425
00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:30,480
these nikes there were 24

426
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:32,560
nuclear armed missiles and they were

427
00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,759
ready for flight

428
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:35,600
only once in the six years that this

429
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:37,360
gentleman was stationed

430
00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:40,959
at that site so that is something that i

431
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,120
think is very significant

432
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:46,320
seven miles away navy pier fort monmouth

433
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:47,759
bell labs where

434
00:16:53,269 --> 00:16:50,480
you know the transistor was developed

435
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:53,279
very interesting area and of itself

436
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:56,000
so anyway if you have a question i'll be

437
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,040
more than happy to handle

438
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,680
well well okay well now i do want to

439
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:01,199
since we only have an hour program here

440
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:03,040
i want to get into your

441
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:06,160
experiences that took a place while you

442
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:06,400
were

443
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:09,839
in the coast guard and okay and let us

444
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,760
let us start with the one that i

445
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:12,959
described at the

446
00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:15,760
beginning of the show because that would

447
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:17,760
seem to be the most exciting one

448
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:20,000
and also if we run out of time time we

449
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:21,760
want to get to more details on that one

450
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:23,120
and then we can go

451
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:26,079
and reverse our our steps absolutely

452
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:27,919
okay i'll jump right in then

453
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:31,200
okay 1969 i got out of boot

454
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:34,240
i went into boot camp february of 69

455
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:37,840
i marched in eisenhower's funerals uh

456
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,640
parade his funeral and then i was

457
00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:42,720
stationed i was sent to hawaii and i was

458
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:44,720
stationed on a coast guard cutter

459
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:51,590
my first ocean station victor my first

460
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:52,559
patrol

461
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:56,080
was july of 1969 now that's an

462
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:56,880
interesting

463
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,960
period of time obviously for a number of

464
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,559
reasons we're out on

465
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:02,880
ocean station which is halfway between

466
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:03,679
hawaii

467
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,720
and japan and we were in age navigation

468
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:08,880
we had a doctor on board

469
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:11,520
we had you know rescue capabilities and

470
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,320
so on

471
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,360
we sat on a 10 square mile station for

472
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,440
about 25 days

473
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:19,679
and during that time we just sat there

474
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,039
and monitored and

475
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:23,840
provided navigational assistance well

476
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,160
this is also during the apollo 11

477
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:27,600
mission

478
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,320
okay we would get periodic updates on

479
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:31,760
the status of

480
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:34,799
the apollo 11 mission now one night i

481
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:37,120
was going on to the mid watch i was a

482
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,840
semen apprentice at the time and we're

483
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,360
all up on the bridge there were four of

484
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:43,120
us that were getting ready to relieve

485
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:43,760
the four

486
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:46,480
watch standards that were there coming

487
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:47,039
off

488
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,520
i was going on to the midwatch and there

489
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,360
were about a total of 14 people on the

490
00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:52,640
bridge at the time

491
00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:54,480
we had the captain and captain was on

492
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,840
board

493
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,760
the officer at deck and his his

494
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,600
counterpart and so on

495
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:02,000
uh we're up there and we're just getting

496
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,679
ready to do the turnover

497
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:06,080
and all of a sudden we get a squawk on

498
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:07,120
the squawk box

499
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:10,320
the intercom from combat information

500
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:13,919
center cic and the radar operator

501
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,520
reported that they were picking up

502
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:18,000
targets bogeys because they were

503
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:19,280
unidentified

504
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:22,559
um flying out of the northwest heading

505
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:24,080
on a course that would take him directly

506
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,200
over the ship

507
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:27,600
heading on a south uh out of the

508
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,720
northeast i'm sorry

509
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:31,039
heading on a southwesterly course that

510
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,400
would take them directly

511
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:34,960
directly over the ship then the radar

512
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:35,840
operator said

513
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:38,080
that we haven't clocked at 3 500 miles

514
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:38,960
per hour

515
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,880
now this is three objects flying in

516
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:42,000
formation

517
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,039
in 1969 at 3 500 miles

518
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:46,720
per hour i don't know of anything that

519
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:49,120
we had at the time that could do that

520
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,919
okay so anyway we all go running out to

521
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:53,200
the starboard

522
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:57,760
right right bridgewink

523
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,600
ship was facing north so we're looking

524
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:01,120
to the northeast

525
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,640
and sure enough we pick up these three

526
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,240
bright points of light

527
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,200
on the horizon they fly over the ship

528
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:08,720
everybody goes running through the

529
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:09,440
bridge

530
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:13,120
side of the ship and we watch them

531
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,000
disappear

532
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:16,480
on the horizon on the other side total

533
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,120
time is about six or seven seconds

534
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,600
so we had them clocked on radar by 3 500

535
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:23,120
miles per hour

536
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,480
and then they did some calculations some

537
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,720
calculations and they came up with a

538
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,200
speed of about 3 200 miles per hour

539
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,159
based upon the visual uh visual visual

540
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:36,159
sighting in the time it took

541
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,440
so that was the one one my first

542
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:41,520
instant when i was on on board the

543
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,480
cutter

544
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:44,960
now we came back and then about five or

545
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:45,919
six months later

546
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:49,200
we deployed to vietnam part of westpac

547
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,640
we're down there we're providing gun gun

548
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,799
fire support for a steel base down in

549
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,919
saunadak

550
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:57,760
area which is the mouth of the sauna

551
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:58,960
dock river

552
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,960
and we also went up and down the coast

553
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,120
and we were coming back and we were

554
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:05,200
hanking right anchored right at the

555
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:06,480
where the

556
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:10,320
south china sea meets the gulf of siam

557
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,440
and we're a couple miles offshore and we

558
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,520
were anchored waiting for orders to go

559
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,640
and relieve

560
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,799
the the ship that we were supposed to be

561
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,760
relieving

562
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:21,840
and at that time the captain gave the

563
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,400
authorization to have swim call

564
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,480
now i'm i was a junior quartermaster of

565
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,000
the watch so i got stuck on

566
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,320
an anchor watch up on the bridge along

567
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:32,159
with the other watch standards

568
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,840
and so we're watching the whole thing

569
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,000
we're standing on the port bridgewing

570
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,280
looking back down into the water where

571
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,200
the men were swimming off the ship they

572
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,880
would dive off the main deck

573
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,200
swim over to a raft climb back up a

574
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,679
cargo net and do it all over again

575
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,520
well now that you have to picture this

576
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:52,000
the sky was kind of gray and overcast

577
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,840
there was about a three to five knot

578
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:56,240
wind and there was a slight chop to the

579
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,360
water

580
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:00,480
so you don't have the greatest viewing

581
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,919
capability based upon those conditions

582
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,159
but we're 44 feet above the water level

583
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:07,919
looking basically down

584
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,720
at the aft third of the ship and lo and

585
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,440
behold

586
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,360
all of a sudden coming out from

587
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:14,880
underneath the ship

588
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,159
was this gigantic black object at first

589
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:19,840
we thought oh it must be a whale or a

590
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,000
whale shark or something like that

591
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,320
but the problem was it was it was too

592
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,000
big for anything like that the only

593
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,400
type of whale it could have been might

594
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,440
have been a blue whale

595
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:32,000
maybe but this thing this object was a

596
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,760
hundred foot long

597
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,840
and at its widest part it was tear drop

598
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:37,520
shaped and at its widest part it was

599
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:38,799
about 35

600
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,880
35 foot wide that is a gigantic mass

601
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,039
and we knew how deep it was because the

602
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:46,960
keel of the ship at that level

603
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,840
at that air where it came underneath was

604
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,760
about 18 feet down

605
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,440
so this thing was 20 feet below the

606
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:55,600
surface big black shape

607
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,720
no fin movement no no fluke no fins

608
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:01,520
no nothing just this big black teardrop

609
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,240
shape

610
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,559
and it went at a right angle and

611
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,559
disappeared after about

612
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,360
maybe seven or eight ten seconds then

613
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,720
you couldn't see it anymore

614
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,799
disappeared into the chop of the water

615
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,720
the gray skies and everything

616
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,640
but we all were up there and matter of

617
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,760
fact the

618
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,640
we had a gunners mate on the flying

619
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:21,679
bridge with the

620
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,880
m16 acting as a shark guard

621
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,480
so we're all looking down we're all

622
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,840
watching this thing and there's four

623
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,520
guys down there

624
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,760
joe joe let me interrupt you here uh

625
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,039
unfortunately we have to go to our

626
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,880
bottom of the hour break but we will

627
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:37,520
continue your story when we come back

628
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:40,000
on exploring the bazaar so stay tuned

629
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,279
for more

630
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,400
now back to exploring the bazaar

631
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,480
with two of the most electrifying

632
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:48,480
researchers in the paranormal

633
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:51,840
your hosts timothy beckley and tim

634
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,440
schwartz welcome back to exploring the

635
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:57,520
bizarre i'm tim schwartz tonight our

636
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,000
guest

637
00:24:01,190 --> 00:24:00,799
is joel foster and joe before we had to

638
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,200
uh

639
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:03,200
so rudely interrupt you to go to our

640
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,240
bottom of the uh

641
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,320
our break you were telling us this

642
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,039
fascinating story about this

643
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:12,400
massive uso that appeared underneath

644
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,960
your ship

645
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,279
go ahead and continue because i want to

646
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,520
hear what happens

647
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,799
well unfortunately it's almost

648
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:20,880
anti-climatic um

649
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:24,000
after the thing swam or glided

650
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:25,440
underneath the ship and the direction

651
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,320
was going

652
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,400
we kind of lost it but up on the flying

653
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,600
bridge the

654
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:32,400
shock guard it was it was up there you

655
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,120
know

656
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,799
scare off any sharks that came around

657
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,240
the the swimmers

658
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,080
uh he also had his camera and he tried

659
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,679
taking a picture of it

660
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,320
so he's basically shooting almost

661
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:43,840
straight down

662
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,880
and in theory he should have gotten if

663
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,720
the lighting conditions were better he

664
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,640
would have gotten a shot of it

665
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,120
but instead nothing all he got was the

666
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,559
gray of the water and the gray of the

667
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,960
sky and the white of the ship

668
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,360
but in the cruise book they put the

669
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,000
picture that

670
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,320
he took from there of all the men

671
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:03,760
swimming in the water

672
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,039
and they superimposed a a an image

673
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:09,600
of the loch ness monster just so that

674
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:10,799
they chronicled that

675
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,000
we had seen something interesting there

676
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,640
um so that was kind of it i mean as far

677
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,400
as usos it

678
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,159
there was no sparkling lights there were

679
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,720
no bubbles of action or anything else

680
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,840
it was just this large teardrop shaped

681
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:28,559
dark object and it's gliding with no

682
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,440
other

683
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,000
means of propulsion and a straight line

684
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,840
directly at a right angle

685
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:36,480
underneath from underneath the ship so

686
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:36,960
now

687
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,120
have no clue what's

688
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,760
uh we only know what's down about 5 000

689
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,960
feet other than that

690
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,559
i think we know more about the surface

691
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,520
of mars or the surface of the moon

692
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,840
now what about the what about the

693
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:53,760
russian sub-incident though how did that

694
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,630
i'll jump into that and there's one

695
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,640
other anecdotal part that i think may be

696
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:05,919
of interest to you

697
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:08,840
anyway the submarine that sank was the

698
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,679
k-129 and that was a russian ballistic

699
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,080
missile submarine it was diesel-powered

700
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,159
but it carried three ballistic missiles

701
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,840
in its conning tower

702
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:20,000
and it also had a complement of nuclear

703
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:21,760
armed torpedoes

704
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:25,840
so uh the sub had just come back

705
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,039
from its uh boomer patrol off the coast

706
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,480
of oregon

707
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,720
went back to its space and the vladimi

708
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,320
it wasn't vladivostok but it's one of

709
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,200
the naval bases the russians had

710
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:40,000
and it was only there for about a month

711
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,039
and then it set

712
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,400
set sail on a mysterious mission

713
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:47,039
and this came from the the soviet uh the

714
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,840
old soviet

715
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,080
archives and maybe paul stonehill he

716
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,000
might have some amplifying information

717
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:54,640
on that aspect of it so if you talk to

718
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,200
him again

719
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,320
ask him about the k-129 but anyway what

720
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,320
happened was the submarine

721
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,520
was making a beeline towards hawaii

722
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,520
and where it ended up sinking was a

723
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,720
thousand miles

724
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,360
northwest of hawaii not too far from

725
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,120
french frigate shoals

726
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,960
now my ocean station is a couple hundred

727
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:14,640
miles further to the

728
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:17,760
further to the west now

729
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,600
the sub sank in 1968 i didn't find out

730
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:22,480
about it

731
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,320
until like 1970

732
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,360
75 76 when the story broke in the new

733
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,559
york times

734
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:33,440
however my last ocean station victor

735
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,000
patrol

736
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,720
was an interesting one uh we were out on

737
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:38,559
ocean station which is where i had the

738
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:38,960
three

739
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,120
before this one was sitting out there

740
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,360
and we had a very weird day with

741
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,120
cloud cover that when it came from all

742
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,760
the way top of his eye as you can see

743
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,679
straight down like cliffs down to the

744
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,360
water and it was in patches

745
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:56,240
a very weird day at sea and we were just

746
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,360
sitting there

747
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,240
on on station and all of a sudden our

748
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,320
surface search radar picked up a large

749
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,760
target on the surface and the size of it

750
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,880
said it must have been something the

751
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:09,039
size of a cruise ship or an aircraft

752
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:09,600
carrier

753
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,960
it was gigantic anyway so we're sitting

754
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,440
there

755
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,000
and we're watching the thing and finally

756
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,000
out of one of these weird fog banks

757
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:19,440
comes a bow

758
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,640
a white bow and then the rest of the

759
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,000
ship came out

760
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:26,000
and the first thing that emerged on top

761
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:27,919
of the ship was a big radome

762
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,799
and another big radome and then a third

763
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,919
antenna

764
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,000
and then they stopped 2 000 yards or one

765
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,840
nautical mile from us

766
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,840
and so i'm being a quartermaster i was

767
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,000
navigation and communications

768
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:42,080
i tried raising the ship i was on i was

769
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,200
on duty on the bridge

770
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,440
at the time i tried raising the ship

771
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,799
with flashing light

772
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,440
we tried radio we were using ship to

773
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,720
ship radio

774
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:53,279
we tried flashing light they totally

775
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:54,080
ignored us

776
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,279
it was a russian spy ship missile

777
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,120
tracking spy ship

778
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,799
they shut down all their radiating

779
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,880
equipment and my captain came up and

780
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:04,480
said okay well we're going to play cat

781
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,360
and mouse

782
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,279
so we shut down all of our radiating

783
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:09,520
equipment our radar whatever might have

784
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,000
been

785
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,760
couple hours like that

786
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,679
now the problem is when you're not

787
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,799
radiating

788
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:19,600
you're not sending out your your radio

789
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:20,399
signals

790
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,559
not see you and you get

791
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,720
run over and they'd never even know they

792
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,399
hit you right

793
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:30,159
so the captain said well this is crazy

794
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,440
we're not getting any place

795
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,679
they're not communicating with us so we

796
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:35,679
turned on our radiating equipment

797
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,720
and we started transmitting our location

798
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,720
and our surface search radar now picks

799
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:42,080
up another object

800
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,600
coming out of another fog bank sternobus

801
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,240
much smaller object and i'm up on the

802
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:49,919
bridge now with my chief

803
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:52,720
and we see this submarine come out from

804
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,600
from

805
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,600
out of the cloud bank so we start

806
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,760
flashing alpha alpha

807
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,480
invitation to communicate and so it

808
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,000
flashed and after about five minutes the

809
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:03,360
submarine came back

810
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:06,960
with a n-y-e-s

811
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,159
i said well nyet is russian for no

812
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,880
nyes it turns out it was an open call

813
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,520
sign

814
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,440
for an american submarine so the

815
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,200
submarine was playing cat and mouse with

816
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,039
this russian spy ship

817
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,640
we had no clue what they were doing on

818
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,320
ocean station victor

819
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,200
so years later is when i found out that

820
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,720
they were the russians were trying to

821
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:27,600
find out

822
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:30,559
where their submarine went down the u.s

823
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,200
navy knew

824
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,880
where that submarine went down almost

825
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,440
immediately because of the underwater

826
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,440
sonar listening devices that they have

827
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,960
in all the oceans

828
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,520
they were able to triangulate and locate

829
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:42,720
that submarine

830
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:45,600
in 16 000 feet of water now the

831
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,159
interesting

832
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,520
thing about this was that back in 1968

833
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,640
later in 68 popular mechanics i think it

834
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:53,919
was popular mechanics

835
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,120
magazine came up with howard hughes was

836
00:31:02,830 --> 00:30:58,880
going to build a ship

837
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,840
that would mock what happened to our

838
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:04,080
guests

839
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,360
you know i was just doing a little

840
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:08,240
research here and uh

841
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:12,559
in 1968 oh there you go

842
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:15,440
yeah somehow we dropped i'm not sure how

843
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,080
okay

844
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:18,399
hey you know i was just doing before you

845
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,279
go on with the story

846
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,200
i was just doing a little research here

847
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:23,919
and in 1968 there were four

848
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:26,960
uh other submarines yeah yeah uh the

849
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:30,480
the scorpion and the uh french submarine

850
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,320
minerva was it and the uh israelis are

851
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,720
submarine yeah okay well go ahead then

852
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:39,039
uh yeah

853
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,559
it was a very bad year to be on a

854
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,640
submarine

855
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:45,039
but anyway uh i'm not sure exactly what

856
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:47,360
what part hello is still there

857
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,640
i'm here okay i heard i thought i heard

858
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,519
another bounce um anyway i'm not sure

859
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:55,279
exactly what you heard the last of what

860
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,480
i had said

861
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,799
yeah you had just uh before you dropped

862
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,159
out you were talking about how

863
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:02,240
howard hughes was uh talking about

864
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,200
building

865
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:05,760
a ship and then that's where he went off

866
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,240
okay

867
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,120
anyway the ship the cover story was it

868
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,720
was going to be mining

869
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,960
manganese nodules off the ocean floor

870
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,039
and 16 000 feet of water

871
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,440
that was the cover story howard hughes

872
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,200
was commissioned to build this ship

873
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,200
along with i think it was lockheed

874
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,480
martin

875
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,720
and it was a very very expensive but

876
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,039
only howard hughes could pull it off

877
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,960
and of course it turned out that the

878
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,640
according to the story project the

879
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:31,519
zorian

880
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,799
it was a it was a cia project and

881
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,279
their goal was to raise the submarine or

882
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:38,799
at least part of the submarine

883
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,919
and recover something okay i don't know

884
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,440
if it's warheads or

885
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:46,320
code books whatever but anyway that was

886
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,360
a massive

887
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:50,559
effort back in back in that that time

888
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,360
period

889
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:53,200
because they didn't have gps they didn't

890
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,360
have the computerization or anything

891
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,440
but anyway they were able to do it now

892
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:02,000
the interesting part of this story

893
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,679
is in 1970 was when i went on my last

894
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:08,320
ocean station victor patrol and a week

895
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,960
before

896
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,200
we left on that patrol there was this

897
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:13,279
very strange ship that tied up in front

898
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,320
of my ship

899
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,480
on sand island which is where my coast

900
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,679
guard base was in

901
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,480
honolulu and we were getting ready to

902
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,039
take a liberty launch over to honolulu

903
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:25,360
and we got on the boat in the boat

904
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:26,480
and said i'm going to take a little

905
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,279
detour

906
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,440
i want to look at this really strange

907
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,120
ship with these big derrick

908
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,559
uh objects on it and we cruise around

909
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,640
the back of it i swear to god

910
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:39,440
to this day that the name on that ship

911
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:40,000
was

912
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,640
about 700

913
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,600
700 and some feet long and the

914
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,960
interesting part of the story was

915
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,000
according to the

916
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,880
video that was produced that ship was

917
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,600
not launched until 1972 but i saw it in

918
00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:59,279
1970

919
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,039
and the recovery didn't take place until

920
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,919
1974.

921
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,720
so my whole thing was that i don't know

922
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,240
what that russian ship was

923
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,159
or why they were sitting there spying on

924
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:12,480
us i'm a coast guard cutter for god's

925
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:12,960
sake

926
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,320
you know we're barely a warship

927
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,639
except in time of war so it wasn't that

928
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,399
we were doing anything top secret but

929
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,359
for some reason

930
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,960
they may have thought that we may have

931
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,560
known where that sub

932
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,560
went down and we didn't we had no clue

933
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,879
about it but we were relatively close to

934
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,399
where it went it went down

935
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,760
now the interesting thing there's been a

936
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,919
lot of stories and conjecture about what

937
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:35,119
that submarine

938
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,879
was doing it was either when a submarine

939
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,159
goes rogue it's either

940
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:43,119
going rogue to start world war three or

941
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:44,159
it's going rogue

942
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,679
to you know surrender you know

943
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,320
turn itself into the enemy and i don't

944
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,520
think that was

945
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,560
the case because there were an

946
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,079
additional 10 men

947
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,599
that were on that ship it was designed

948
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:59,599
to carry i think 85

949
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,079
and when that ship went down according

950
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,520
to the russian

951
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,920
what russian information there was there

952
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,599
was an additional 10 men

953
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,599
they think that it may have been kgb and

954
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,960
it was on a mission

955
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,800
because three of those three of those

956
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,000
subs were already

957
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,280
turned over to the chinese communists

958
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,920
and remember 1968 russians and the

959
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,880
chinese

960
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,960
were actually fighting on their own

961
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,640
common border

962
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,560
so but the russians were still turning

963
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,000
over these submarines

964
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:30,000
to the chinese this would have been the

965
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,200
last of the

966
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,240
uh the the this class submarine

967
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,480
that was to go over to the chinese now

968
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,920
if it was carrying three ballistic

969
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,920
missiles with nuclear warheads

970
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,560
and it was now within range of honolulu

971
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,079
could there have been a a

972
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:46,480
a false flag attack that might have been

973
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:47,200
launched

974
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,400
to start a battle or war between us and

975
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,280
china

976
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,760
it is a very very strange thing a matter

977
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,880
of fact

978
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,960
according to the stories that have come

979
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,480
out since

980
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:01,119
high-level groups got together from the

981
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:02,079
us

982
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,560
decided that they would never mention

983
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,359
the scorpion or the k-129 again

984
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,680
so you can leave that too whatever you

985
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,119
want to make of it

986
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,079
but that's my tie into that the the

987
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,240
synchronicity was not really there

988
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,760
because i didn't know anything about it

989
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,599
really until years later

990
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,240
but it was looking backwards starting to

991
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:25,599
be able to stitch together

992
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:29,280
certain things that seem to have a

993
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,359
a bearing if you will now

994
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,440
there is one other interesting point i

995
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,119
think according to my

996
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:39,599
coast guard stories we had one more

997
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,160
sighting

998
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,839
during morning stars heading back to

999
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:43,680
honolulu and that's

1000
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,480
a half hour before sunrise and we were

1001
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,200
sailing from guam to honolulu

1002
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,359
and i was a navigator so i'm out on the

1003
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,599
starboard bridge wing with my chief

1004
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,760
my captain and the officer of the deck

1005
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,079
and we were shooting the morning stars

1006
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,680
beautiful day at sea in the south

1007
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:01,520
pacific blue water

1008
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,520
blue skies slight cloud cover no breeze

1009
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,520
and all of a sudden this gigantic dead

1010
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,320
ahead was this gigantic

1011
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,960
mercury colored sphere it was mercury

1012
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,839
color

1013
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,440
i mean you can see the reflection of the

1014
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,359
cloud in the sky on the top of it

1015
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,280
and the ocean and the white caps

1016
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,599
underneath it on the bottom

1017
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,880
and this thing was flying on a

1018
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:25,920
reciprocal course directly towards us

1019
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,960
in the opposite direction and so i

1020
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:30,480
figured oh this is great we already

1021
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:31,280
reported

1022
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,079
objects that we saw on ocean station i'm

1023
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:37,440
sure we're going to have to report this

1024
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:38,000
one

1025
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,440
but the captain who was the senior

1026
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,280
captain in the coast guard all he did

1027
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,359
was shrug his shoulders when the thing

1028
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,320
passed this on the port side at about an

1029
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:48,000
altitude about three or four hundred

1030
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,880
feet

1031
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,960
and then it took off behind us and so we

1032
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,720
continued shooting morning stars

1033
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,680
now i got back to honolulu after

1034
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,560
deployment

1035
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,720
they sent me to school at pearl harbor

1036
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,800
and i was on ford island for about three

1037
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,680
months

1038
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,400
going to these navy schools and i made

1039
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,839
friends with a navy yeoman

1040
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,760
who worked out there at a place called

1041
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,040
ficktec

1042
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,800
and that stands fleet intelligence

1043
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,560
central pacific

1044
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,119
and it's part of o and i officer of nav

1045
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,119
office of naval intelligence

1046
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,040
and we would play tennis and one day i

1047
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:21,040
was telling him about my ufo sightings

1048
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,640
in the uso and all this

1049
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,079
all of a sudden he started laughing at

1050
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:26,079
me i said oh god he just thinks i'm a

1051
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,440
ufo nut

1052
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,200
and then he stopped me said no that's

1053
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,640
not the reason i'm laughing

1054
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,400
he said i'm laughing because we get

1055
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,920
thousands of those reports

1056
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,960
every year just from u.s naval ships and

1057
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,520
that's a direct quote what he told me

1058
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,920
okay so i'm gonna i'll leave it there if

1059
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,040
you have any comments or

1060
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,920
questions i'll be more than happy to

1061
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:46,640
well that's

1062
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,839
i my question after you know you were

1063
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,240
finished here was that you know

1064
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:55,119
there have been you know rumors and and

1065
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:55,680
just

1066
00:39:02,950 --> 00:38:59,119
downright you know uh reports from

1067
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:02,960
uh navy officials

1068
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:07,040
that uh usos

1069
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,880
have been what plain cat and mouse

1070
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,960
using that term that you used earlier

1071
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,000
with the uh the

1072
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,200
russian ship uh with

1073
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:20,240
navy vessels for a number of years and

1074
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,040
for

1075
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:23,520
you know a lot of them it's uh it is

1076
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,240
it's it's

1077
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:27,520
it's almost a commonplace

1078
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,960
situation exactly

1079
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,560
and that's the point like all the

1080
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,960
disclosures that we've recently had

1081
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:37,040
you know it's kind of a shrug of a

1082
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,160
shoulder there because

1083
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,680
they're not even scratching the surface

1084
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,200
i don't think

1085
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:44,000
in 1970 bobby ray inman was a lieutenant

1086
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:44,880
commander

1087
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,079
stationed at pearl harbor

1088
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,200
so i mean if if what this yeoman told me

1089
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,920
i think it was a computer operator uh

1090
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,599
what he told me was true

1091
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,280
they knew this and it was common

1092
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,119
knowledge up and down

1093
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:02,079
up and down the chain of command so you

1094
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,200
know

1095
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,280
what we see now is if you get caught

1096
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:07,119
with your hands in the cookie chart

1097
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,160
you know you're going to be held

1098
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,800
accountable no i

1099
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:13,119
i think i see it as being more like that

1100
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,079
right now

1101
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,800
so hopefully there'll be real disclosure

1102
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,359
and more

1103
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:19,760
more of this stuff will formally come

1104
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:20,560
out

1105
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,400
not anecdotally you know

1106
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:27,760
now the uh uh you sent me uh the uh

1107
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:31,599
uh a pdf of the slideshow

1108
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:35,760
on uh uh uh a a move a presentation you

1109
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,400
made for the

1110
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,040
buffon conference about a year ago now

1111
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,720
there's a section called

1112
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,599
ufos and the u.s navy and you you

1113
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:44,800
included some

1114
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:48,640
some photographs at the very top

1115
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,720
that are have become extremely

1116
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,680
controversial and uh i believe that

1117
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:56,720
these were taken

1118
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:00,160
in the uh the was it the north sea

1119
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,550
yeah and uh do you care do you care to

1120
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,960
talk about that uh it was the uss was it

1121
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:13,680
how do you pronounce

1122
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,760
the the the trey paying the submarine

1123
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,920
um i i don't have any firsthand

1124
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,839
knowledge other than the fact that

1125
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,920
apparently the captain of that submarine

1126
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,359
did not refute the

1127
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,319
the story about the uh the photographs

1128
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,319
again the validity of it i can't

1129
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:33,359
i personally can't speak to but it

1130
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,760
passed

1131
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:36,319
sort of a sniff test in this that's that

1132
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:36,960
yeah

1133
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,720
photos are going to be in the

1134
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,880
book by the way that we happen to cover

1135
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,079
that uh case

1136
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,720
there there's not a lot of detail uh uh

1137
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,720
available on it the objects

1138
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,119
the object looks absolutely tremendous

1139
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,119
and it's shooting up out of the

1140
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,599
the water uh i don't know how you would

1141
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:57,680
exactly describe it it's certainly not

1142
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,560
disc shaped it's well you could almost

1143
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,000
say it's whale shaped but it's not a

1144
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:03,599
whale certainly but i mean it's

1145
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,119
it's a very peculiar configuration for

1146
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,319
a uh an object i

1147
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,319
i personally i thought it was more

1148
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:13,839
triangular

1149
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,150
yeah it's kind of a kind of a strange

1150
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,760
position that it's coming up out of the

1151
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:22,960
water so you

1152
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:26,319
can't quite get the overall gist of it

1153
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,040
but

1154
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,960
it's certainly more than one photograph

1155
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,800
i think we published

1156
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,760
three of them in the book and we have

1157
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,480
the

1158
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,760
of him

1159
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:40,079
it has gotten some attention but not

1160
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:40,880
really

1161
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,000
investigated as sterily as it should

1162
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,640
be although probably paul stonehill

1163
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:47,920
knows uh

1164
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,599
more about it than we do go ahead tip

1165
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,880
well no no i was just gonna say these

1166
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,119
photographs were originally released

1167
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,160
in a french magazine and uh but

1168
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:01,359
uh um like like you said tim the

1169
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:04,880
uh there really hasn't been

1170
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,359
a lot said about them i think it's i

1171
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,800
think it's a situation because you've

1172
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,800
got these you these really great

1173
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,280
photographs that it must obviously be a

1174
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:14,800
hoax i think is what

1175
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,839
people are thinking but

1176
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,640
i've heard a number of people you know

1177
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:22,720
the first blush i think they said

1178
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:26,079
possibly a hoax but i think somebody

1179
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,440
said that they thought that they were

1180
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,119
the real deal i thought it was somebody

1181
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:31,680
that was an expert in photographs

1182
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,960
of photographic uh forensics or

1183
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,000
something

1184
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,359
you know i i can't all i know is that

1185
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,000
the story has been out there and nobody

1186
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,640
has come out and actually refuted it

1187
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,720
and you know now taking a picture i'm

1188
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,240
not a submariner so i

1189
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:50,319
i can't say with how easy it is to take

1190
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,359
a picture out of

1191
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:53,680
you know a personal photograph through

1192
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,950
right but it's still like

1193
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,640
all the other all the other stories

1194
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:04,079
about submarines

1195
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,560
and usos and ufos um

1196
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,359
i don't know it sounds like it could it

1197
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,200
could definitely be a

1198
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,440
true story well and that's that's the

1199
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,560
thing i mean the

1200
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,359
i'm happy to see that more and more of

1201
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:20,800
these types of stories

1202
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,680
involving usos are coming out because

1203
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:25,920
the emphasis has been for so long

1204
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,200
ufos yeah yep

1205
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,359
well you know the other thing is that

1206
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,839
the majority of ufos take place over the

1207
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:35,760
ocean or within like 20 miles of the

1208
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,560
ocean

1209
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,720
and lakes and rivers and things like

1210
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,480
that um

1211
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,040
but my three sightings on board that i

1212
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:44,640
was only on board that ship for 20

1213
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,760
months

1214
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:48,160
now imagine somebody that spent 30 years

1215
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,960
like my

1216
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,599
skipper but he spent 30 years before the

1217
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,560
mass

1218
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,720
like i said the ufo that was daylight

1219
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,560
and as big as a basketball

1220
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,960
flying right past the ship he didn't

1221
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,880
even battle an eyelash

1222
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:03,440
that is the solemn truth he was a master

1223
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,480
marrier

1224
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,160
and he could take any ship any place in

1225
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,880
the world and that guy could do

1226
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,440
the navigation he was able to do i

1227
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,280
couldn't even begin to understand

1228
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:15,520
i mean he did it all without pubs or

1229
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,640
computers

1230
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,160
you know he did it with the old fly

1231
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,680
rules

1232
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,640
so i mean so the point i'm trying to

1233
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:24,319
make is that if you spend any time at

1234
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:25,040
sea

1235
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,400
and you keep your head up you're going

1236
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,599
to see things that you can't explain

1237
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,200
all right well unfortunately we have

1238
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:32,880
less than three minutes left in the show

1239
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,200
so

1240
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,800
i want to uh let you have the

1241
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,640
opportunity to uh

1242
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,880
give our audience more information about

1243
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,400
uh where they can find out uh

1244
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,640
more about you uh online you know

1245
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:45,359
facebook page or whatever

1246
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:50,000
well i i do have a a a youtube channel

1247
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,319
we have a monthly uh a zoom session

1248
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:56,720
uh that we have guests come on and

1249
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,440
everything it's

1250
00:46:00,790 --> 00:46:00,160
it's not real polished and professional

1251
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,800
but

1252
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:03,359
uh we've had some interesting guests on

1253
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,400
and everything

1254
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:07,920
and um george filer has been on

1255
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:10,800
uh uh bruce bruce cornette i believe you

1256
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,280
guys know bruce oh yeah oh sure

1257
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,079
yeah so and we have a very hardcore

1258
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,760
group that that's growing here bruce

1259
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,720
pearson dina

1260
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,880
have you ever met bruce bruce i don't

1261
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,920
think so no

1262
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,839
it doesn't sound pretty gotta got a

1263
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,520
minute to go here guys

1264
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:28,880
okay well anyway um i i do have uh

1265
00:46:34,510 --> 00:46:32,160
uh i i'm putting a website up it's not

1266
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,520
up yet yeah but it'll be uh

1267
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,119
millenniumoss.com uh there's one up

1268
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,560
there but it's not quite with all the

1269
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:40,000
stuff on it

1270
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:41,359
my phone number if you want to get my

1271
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:44,560
phone number out i'll be more uh

1272
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:49,280
my email address is joseph.foster fosder

1273
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:54,079
at millennium oss and m-i-l-l-e

1274
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,319
and ium.oss.com thank you

1275
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,440
and and thank you mindy gerber and uh

1276
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,280
uh we'll have we'll have we'll have a

1277
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,640
special offer up for

1278
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:07,200
uh alien lives matter on the conspiracy